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		<title>By: Ashley Tyra</title>
		<link>http://calpolymbatrip.com/2006/china/the-tank-man/#comment-24169</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashley Tyra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 01:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The events at Tiananman Square struck awe into the hearts of many Beijing citizens as well as the world. They expose the evil that can take place in any country, evil that can occur against anyone including its own citizens. China would not be where it is today if the massacre of Tiananman Square had not happened. 

These events enabled the Chinese Government to move forward with far less opposition than if the events had not occurred, thus allowing for the “deal with the devil.” This deal of overlooking political oppression made way for China’s economic miracle. Although the uprising that took place at Tiananman Square struck chords with all facets of the Chinese people, the government nearly erased the events from the memories of China’s youth today. When shown a picture of the iconic image of the “Tank Man,” one student of the University of Beijing responds, “Is this a joke? Did you make that image?” This goes to show that while China has succeeded economically, the government has achieved its goal of suppressing the flow of information and squashing any inclinations to rise up against the state. 

As far as the two protesting groups that were present at Tiananman Square, I don’t think the government’s goal at the time was to suppress these groups, however the results of the massacre ended up doing just that. In the end, I believe that Tiananman Square plays a crucial role in China’s history. Although forgotten by its young citizens, the effects of the massacre still resound through China today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The events at Tiananman Square struck awe into the hearts of many Beijing citizens as well as the world. They expose the evil that can take place in any country, evil that can occur against anyone including its own citizens. China would not be where it is today if the massacre of Tiananman Square had not happened. </p>
<p>These events enabled the Chinese Government to move forward with far less opposition than if the events had not occurred, thus allowing for the “deal with the devil.” This deal of overlooking political oppression made way for China’s economic miracle. Although the uprising that took place at Tiananman Square struck chords with all facets of the Chinese people, the government nearly erased the events from the memories of China’s youth today. When shown a picture of the iconic image of the “Tank Man,” one student of the University of Beijing responds, “Is this a joke? Did you make that image?” This goes to show that while China has succeeded economically, the government has achieved its goal of suppressing the flow of information and squashing any inclinations to rise up against the state. </p>
<p>As far as the two protesting groups that were present at Tiananman Square, I don’t think the government’s goal at the time was to suppress these groups, however the results of the massacre ended up doing just that. In the end, I believe that Tiananman Square plays a crucial role in China’s history. Although forgotten by its young citizens, the effects of the massacre still resound through China today.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Fleek</title>
		<link>http://calpolymbatrip.com/2006/china/the-tank-man/#comment-24146</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Fleek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 00:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That movie cleared up a lot of unknowns about China's recent history.  Before this, I had seen pictures of the Tank Man and knew it stood for a stand against their communist government, but didn't really know the context and background behind it.  I didn't know that the Chinese government ordered their own army to shoot their own people.  I was really surprised that the Chinese youth couldn't even recognize the photo.  In that way it made me realize that even in the modern age, China is still a communist country in that information is controlled by the government.  This was shown in that they were only allowed to film in the nice looking factories.  This makes me wonder if this is just another way for their government to control their image to the world.  After finishing the movie, I couldn't help but feel that maybe my previous beliefs on China stemmed from this kind of media.  It makes me wonder if their is going to be another Tienanmen Square if the people become too unhappy with their government.  And if it does, I wonder if it will be erased just as easily as the Chinese government erased the Tienanmen Square incident to this generation.  I hope their government has learned from the Tienanmen square incident and decide to place more value into improving their people's lives, especially the poor factory workers, to prevent such a uprising.

It was shockingly horrible that a government could do such a thing to its own people like turning the lights off at Beijing and running people over with tanks.  That's why I am so amazed that there arn't more Chinese people that are against their government.  In that way, the Chinese government has succeeded in moving away from the Tienanmen Square incident.  Even though their are those that suffer from certain policies, I believe that opening up their economic stance was vital because of their huge labor force.  Now people could find work in the factories where they would get paid much more than if they remained farming.  The question is how long are these people going to tolerate such low wages, hours, and overall lifestyle?  As long as the government improves these conditions slowly, I think the workers will remain content.  However, the power in China is the cheap labor so the government will need to figure out other ways to improve these workers lives like having them work less hours and have more vacation so that even more people could get employed.  One thing I noticed throughout the movie was that at these factories, the food looked really good, which I think is plays a role in keeping workers more content.  Watching those parts made me really excited to eat Chinese food in China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That movie cleared up a lot of unknowns about China&#8217;s recent history.  Before this, I had seen pictures of the Tank Man and knew it stood for a stand against their communist government, but didn&#8217;t really know the context and background behind it.  I didn&#8217;t know that the Chinese government ordered their own army to shoot their own people.  I was really surprised that the Chinese youth couldn&#8217;t even recognize the photo.  In that way it made me realize that even in the modern age, China is still a communist country in that information is controlled by the government.  This was shown in that they were only allowed to film in the nice looking factories.  This makes me wonder if this is just another way for their government to control their image to the world.  After finishing the movie, I couldn&#8217;t help but feel that maybe my previous beliefs on China stemmed from this kind of media.  It makes me wonder if their is going to be another Tienanmen Square if the people become too unhappy with their government.  And if it does, I wonder if it will be erased just as easily as the Chinese government erased the Tienanmen Square incident to this generation.  I hope their government has learned from the Tienanmen square incident and decide to place more value into improving their people&#8217;s lives, especially the poor factory workers, to prevent such a uprising.</p>
<p>It was shockingly horrible that a government could do such a thing to its own people like turning the lights off at Beijing and running people over with tanks.  That&#8217;s why I am so amazed that there arn&#8217;t more Chinese people that are against their government.  In that way, the Chinese government has succeeded in moving away from the Tienanmen Square incident.  Even though their are those that suffer from certain policies, I believe that opening up their economic stance was vital because of their huge labor force.  Now people could find work in the factories where they would get paid much more than if they remained farming.  The question is how long are these people going to tolerate such low wages, hours, and overall lifestyle?  As long as the government improves these conditions slowly, I think the workers will remain content.  However, the power in China is the cheap labor so the government will need to figure out other ways to improve these workers lives like having them work less hours and have more vacation so that even more people could get employed.  One thing I noticed throughout the movie was that at these factories, the food looked really good, which I think is plays a role in keeping workers more content.  Watching those parts made me really excited to eat Chinese food in China.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
		<link>http://calpolymbatrip.com/2006/china/the-tank-man/#comment-24139</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 01:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, it is quite enlightening to know that the Chinese people made the "deal with the devil", so to speak, that is to gain their economic freedom but allow the regime to continue.  I am not judging them, but it was what had to happen on order for the people to move ahead.  It was, of course, the pragmatic decision when compared to a life of oppression.  Unfortunately, the tragedy was left unjustified.  
Clearly the leadership of the country has done quite a job at moving on after the incident.  It is amazing, but not surprising that the university students do not recognize the picture.  Why would they?  It is to me, however, tragic that society as a whole isn't given the chance to learn from its own mistakes.  The pride that the regime has, the same pride that won't allow it to admit its mistakes, will only allow it to be perpetuated, if it is not allowed to learn from those mistakes.  Hopefully, China's economic freedom will allow it to more fully develop, not only in economic terms, but in ways that allow the individual to thrive as well.
Irregardless of the fact that Chinese culture is more communal than individual, I agree with Omar Pradan that the spirit of Tank Man lives in not only each Chinese person, but in each human being across this planet.  There is something ingrained in our DNA that knows the rightness of being free from oppression.  Freedom from oppression is not a western ideal.  It is a human ideal.  It is my hope that China will continue to realize that ideal.
To answer the question whether the CCP was trying to crush the market reforms, I do not believe so.  I do not think the leadership of the time could see the potential of market reforms.  I think they were just scared of loosing control, and out of that fear, struck with strength to preserve the status quo.  They saw the demonstrations as a threat to the status quo and felt that the elimination of the demonstrations was enough to maintain that status quo, hence the order to clear the square by 6:00 am.  If they had been concerned with market reforms, it seems their tact would have been taken at the regulatory or market level, not pure, violent force.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, it is quite enlightening to know that the Chinese people made the &#8220;deal with the devil&#8221;, so to speak, that is to gain their economic freedom but allow the regime to continue.  I am not judging them, but it was what had to happen on order for the people to move ahead.  It was, of course, the pragmatic decision when compared to a life of oppression.  Unfortunately, the tragedy was left unjustified.<br />
Clearly the leadership of the country has done quite a job at moving on after the incident.  It is amazing, but not surprising that the university students do not recognize the picture.  Why would they?  It is to me, however, tragic that society as a whole isn&#8217;t given the chance to learn from its own mistakes.  The pride that the regime has, the same pride that won&#8217;t allow it to admit its mistakes, will only allow it to be perpetuated, if it is not allowed to learn from those mistakes.  Hopefully, China&#8217;s economic freedom will allow it to more fully develop, not only in economic terms, but in ways that allow the individual to thrive as well.<br />
Irregardless of the fact that Chinese culture is more communal than individual, I agree with Omar Pradan that the spirit of Tank Man lives in not only each Chinese person, but in each human being across this planet.  There is something ingrained in our DNA that knows the rightness of being free from oppression.  Freedom from oppression is not a western ideal.  It is a human ideal.  It is my hope that China will continue to realize that ideal.<br />
To answer the question whether the CCP was trying to crush the market reforms, I do not believe so.  I do not think the leadership of the time could see the potential of market reforms.  I think they were just scared of loosing control, and out of that fear, struck with strength to preserve the status quo.  They saw the demonstrations as a threat to the status quo and felt that the elimination of the demonstrations was enough to maintain that status quo, hence the order to clear the square by 6:00 am.  If they had been concerned with market reforms, it seems their tact would have been taken at the regulatory or market level, not pure, violent force.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin K.</title>
		<link>http://calpolymbatrip.com/2006/china/the-tank-man/#comment-24101</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 00:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would China be where it is today without the 1989 events at Tiananmen Square?  Without it, the so-called "deal with the devil" would have never occurred.  It is almost an unnecessary question to ask for an outsider who recognizes these events and the brave actions of the "Tank Man."  However, students at one of China's greatest universities cannot even recognize that famous scene depicted in newspapers across the globe -- one highly lauded for its sheer power and representation of human rights.

But then again, this is the deal with the devil that this post is referring to.  China opened itself up economically -- allowing for the new class of millionaires while also taking on the role of the world's factory -- but the caveat here is that it continued to shut itself out politically.  This type of reform allowed for many economic positives, but the political and human rights changes have been much slower.  I believe that this was a necessary evil for the country to move forward after the  events of 1989.

When asking if democracy is the key to China's problems, the answer is a resounding maybe -- if there is such a thing.  Democracy is a nice goal, one that can help ensure the rights of many of its citizens, but one that may be too distant to envision for present-day China.  These human rights that I speak of and that Tank Man stood for are basic equalities our US constitution protects.  Freedoms we whole-heartedly believe in.  You do not need democracy to preserve what we believe to be god-given rights, you just need a government that understands the pulse of the people, not one that attempts to muffle its heartbeat.

When the chinese soldiers rode through Tiananmen Square, killing an unknown number in an unnecessary massacre, those soldiers representing the government were not specifically killing a democratic uprising or those in favor of market reform.  They were only looking to keep the government in control -- in essence to maintain their tenuous grasp on the billion-plus chinese people.  If control is all they wanted, their iron-fisted technique was certainly effective.  What is shocking is how American companies are profitting to this day off this -- with Cisco, Yahoo, and Google the specific companies targeted in the documentary.  I guess this sheds light on a new question: Where would China be today without the foreign influence the country so desperately avoids?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would China be where it is today without the 1989 events at Tiananmen Square?  Without it, the so-called &#8220;deal with the devil&#8221; would have never occurred.  It is almost an unnecessary question to ask for an outsider who recognizes these events and the brave actions of the &#8220;Tank Man.&#8221;  However, students at one of China&#8217;s greatest universities cannot even recognize that famous scene depicted in newspapers across the globe &#8212; one highly lauded for its sheer power and representation of human rights.</p>
<p>But then again, this is the deal with the devil that this post is referring to.  China opened itself up economically &#8212; allowing for the new class of millionaires while also taking on the role of the world&#8217;s factory &#8212; but the caveat here is that it continued to shut itself out politically.  This type of reform allowed for many economic positives, but the political and human rights changes have been much slower.  I believe that this was a necessary evil for the country to move forward after the  events of 1989.</p>
<p>When asking if democracy is the key to China&#8217;s problems, the answer is a resounding maybe &#8212; if there is such a thing.  Democracy is a nice goal, one that can help ensure the rights of many of its citizens, but one that may be too distant to envision for present-day China.  These human rights that I speak of and that Tank Man stood for are basic equalities our US constitution protects.  Freedoms we whole-heartedly believe in.  You do not need democracy to preserve what we believe to be god-given rights, you just need a government that understands the pulse of the people, not one that attempts to muffle its heartbeat.</p>
<p>When the chinese soldiers rode through Tiananmen Square, killing an unknown number in an unnecessary massacre, those soldiers representing the government were not specifically killing a democratic uprising or those in favor of market reform.  They were only looking to keep the government in control &#8212; in essence to maintain their tenuous grasp on the billion-plus chinese people.  If control is all they wanted, their iron-fisted technique was certainly effective.  What is shocking is how American companies are profitting to this day off this &#8212; with Cisco, Yahoo, and Google the specific companies targeted in the documentary.  I guess this sheds light on a new question: Where would China be today without the foreign influence the country so desperately avoids?</p>
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		<title>By: Vladimir</title>
		<link>http://calpolymbatrip.com/2006/china/the-tank-man/#comment-24100</link>
		<dc:creator>Vladimir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 04:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I learned a lot from “The Tank Man video”. I heard about the Tiananmen Square massacre before and saw photos of the Tank Man, but I didn’t really know what it was about. Nor did I know how China today would be shaped by the events of 1989. I’m impressed with how the government was able to make a concession to the people without really giving away its power. If the government did nothing, there would likely have been more protests. Some groups represented by the protesters, the elites and the middle classes, have benefitted from the deal in which the government agreed to refrain from stopping economic reform as long as the people don’t challenge its one-party rule. 

I believe that Winston Churchill’s famous quote “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time” applies in China. I’m going to assume a loose definition of democratic form of government and not distinguish between a democracy and a republic here. I would not say that the China needs a democracy for short-term economic growth, as we’ve seen 10%+ year-over-year growth under the current government. If the government continues to support an environment for economic growth, does enough to alleviate inequality of China’s standard of living, and continue to convince the Chinese people that its rule is best for them, Chinese people will prefer the current government. However, with an increase in the number of Chinese accessing the internet, political criticism will grow. A challenge for the regime that the film mentions – How do you allow all the information necessary to keep a free market economy running while filtering what contradicts the party line and undermine authority?  – will not be easy for the government to resolve. 

I think the CCP crushing both student protests – For democratic reform and for slower movement with market reforms - was an attack on democratic reform, rather than an attempt to keep market reforms moving along. Democratic reform was more consistent with the larger protests, and according to the video I gathered that the government was more concerned with their one-party rule than the rate of economic reform. 

It’s difficult to say whether China would be where it is today if Tiananmen Square had not happened. It did lead to the political-economic “deal with the devil” , but I don’t know if the Chinese government would have independently come to the conclusion that allowing greater economic freedom would benefit the country and government economically or convince the citizens to view the government more favorably.

The film mentioned that the demonstrators demanded the right to tell the truth. They demonstrated against hardship, government corruption, and repression. This shows a contrast between how the government was viewed by the university students of the 1980s and students today.  Life is better today for Chinese students. There is more opportunity today for those with a higher education and funding for higher education has increased. As Ruth Cherrington is quoted in the WSJ article, "They have a lot more economic incentive to stay with the present brand of patriotism." The government has done a good job in shaping student opinion that freedom of expression can be destabilizing. Students don’t want to risk destabilizing a system that benefits them for a potentially better system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I learned a lot from “The Tank Man video”. I heard about the Tiananmen Square massacre before and saw photos of the Tank Man, but I didn’t really know what it was about. Nor did I know how China today would be shaped by the events of 1989. I’m impressed with how the government was able to make a concession to the people without really giving away its power. If the government did nothing, there would likely have been more protests. Some groups represented by the protesters, the elites and the middle classes, have benefitted from the deal in which the government agreed to refrain from stopping economic reform as long as the people don’t challenge its one-party rule. </p>
<p>I believe that Winston Churchill’s famous quote “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time” applies in China. I’m going to assume a loose definition of democratic form of government and not distinguish between a democracy and a republic here. I would not say that the China needs a democracy for short-term economic growth, as we’ve seen 10%+ year-over-year growth under the current government. If the government continues to support an environment for economic growth, does enough to alleviate inequality of China’s standard of living, and continue to convince the Chinese people that its rule is best for them, Chinese people will prefer the current government. However, with an increase in the number of Chinese accessing the internet, political criticism will grow. A challenge for the regime that the film mentions – How do you allow all the information necessary to keep a free market economy running while filtering what contradicts the party line and undermine authority?  – will not be easy for the government to resolve. </p>
<p>I think the CCP crushing both student protests – For democratic reform and for slower movement with market reforms - was an attack on democratic reform, rather than an attempt to keep market reforms moving along. Democratic reform was more consistent with the larger protests, and according to the video I gathered that the government was more concerned with their one-party rule than the rate of economic reform. </p>
<p>It’s difficult to say whether China would be where it is today if Tiananmen Square had not happened. It did lead to the political-economic “deal with the devil” , but I don’t know if the Chinese government would have independently come to the conclusion that allowing greater economic freedom would benefit the country and government economically or convince the citizens to view the government more favorably.</p>
<p>The film mentioned that the demonstrators demanded the right to tell the truth. They demonstrated against hardship, government corruption, and repression. This shows a contrast between how the government was viewed by the university students of the 1980s and students today.  Life is better today for Chinese students. There is more opportunity today for those with a higher education and funding for higher education has increased. As Ruth Cherrington is quoted in the WSJ article, &#8220;They have a lot more economic incentive to stay with the present brand of patriotism.&#8221; The government has done a good job in shaping student opinion that freedom of expression can be destabilizing. Students don’t want to risk destabilizing a system that benefits them for a potentially better system.</p>
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		<title>By: Omar Pradhan</title>
		<link>http://calpolymbatrip.com/2006/china/the-tank-man/#comment-21502</link>
		<dc:creator>Omar Pradhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I feel as though Tank Man lives in the heart of each and every human being.  His act of defiance was animated by forces deep from within the core of our shared human spirit.  Each of us, I believe, longs to be valued, respected, given opportunities to grow, and connected to a larger, meaningful narrative.  Tank man's act of defiance was likely a product of some heightened awareness that he was missing out on the key ingredients to what we all hold in common as the "good life."  Throughout human history, individuals in power have experimented with forms of social organization that have sought to bridge the gap between the existing order and some aspirational yet achievable order...that delivers on greater human happiness.  I sincerely believe that the leaders of China who resisted calls for Democratic reforms on that fateful day did so with the best of intentions for their fellow countrymen.  Similarly, in our own country, many took a principled stance on succession (interestingly enough, as justified by Biblical support / non-repudiation of slavery) to join with the south in the civil war.  Notwithstanding the long list of historical setbacks, the desire for human rights (liberty, justice, etc.) endures within us all and will not rest until it is actualize and safeguarded in some form of social contract.  Thus, supposing the south had prevailed, I have no doubt that, eventually, either through a peaceful struggle or a second civil war, our shared human spirit would have animated us to arrive where we are today (recalling that all nations today reject slavery).  Similarly, the 1989 "deal with the devil," present day manifestations of oppression (e.g. the Great Firewall), and the WSJ piece on the generation gap are troubling yet, in context of human history and struggle, they are merely momentary manifestations of obstacles that will one day be overcome…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I feel as though Tank Man lives in the heart of each and every human being.  His act of defiance was animated by forces deep from within the core of our shared human spirit.  Each of us, I believe, longs to be valued, respected, given opportunities to grow, and connected to a larger, meaningful narrative.  Tank man&#8217;s act of defiance was likely a product of some heightened awareness that he was missing out on the key ingredients to what we all hold in common as the &#8220;good life.&#8221;  Throughout human history, individuals in power have experimented with forms of social organization that have sought to bridge the gap between the existing order and some aspirational yet achievable order&#8230;that delivers on greater human happiness.  I sincerely believe that the leaders of China who resisted calls for Democratic reforms on that fateful day did so with the best of intentions for their fellow countrymen.  Similarly, in our own country, many took a principled stance on succession (interestingly enough, as justified by Biblical support / non-repudiation of slavery) to join with the south in the civil war.  Notwithstanding the long list of historical setbacks, the desire for human rights (liberty, justice, etc.) endures within us all and will not rest until it is actualize and safeguarded in some form of social contract.  Thus, supposing the south had prevailed, I have no doubt that, eventually, either through a peaceful struggle or a second civil war, our shared human spirit would have animated us to arrive where we are today (recalling that all nations today reject slavery).  Similarly, the 1989 &#8220;deal with the devil,&#8221; present day manifestations of oppression (e.g. the Great Firewall), and the WSJ piece on the generation gap are troubling yet, in context of human history and struggle, they are merely momentary manifestations of obstacles that will one day be overcome…</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley Ogden</title>
		<link>http://calpolymbatrip.com/2006/china/the-tank-man/#comment-21422</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashley Ogden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 05:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They wanted to “shock, terrify, and awe”, well they accomplished that goal in me. As Kaiser Kuo suggests, you need to understand Chinese history in order to understand the Chinese people. Watching “Tank Man” gave me a little history lesson on one of the most influential and substantial events in Chinese history. It is not only significant to the Chinese people, but also the Chinese government. This event changed the relationship between China and its people forever. They each saw what the other side is capable of. 

This video was very insightful into the true events that occurred during this incident. Popular thought is that the people that were protesting were only the students, but the truth is that everyone was protesting except for the top leaders. Students started the protests but soon everyone was involved. It was also shocking that most of the action actually happened outside the square, not inside.

During this event there was completely free reporting; it was referred to as the “virus of freedom”. Once people got a taste of it, they wanted more. This is why the government was so scared. The people got a taste of freedom and know they know what it feels like and what it can do. The government is very insecure, as Susan Shirk writes in her book “China, Fragile Superpower”, and so they took drastic measure to send their message across. Their message was that they are in charge and always will be. Watching this video and seeing how they used their forces against innocent people was absolutely shocking, and that is the feeling they were going for. The Chinese government wanted to “shock, terrify, and awe”. They did this by using weapons that were way beyond what they needed and shooting people in the back while they were running away. The government was embarrassed by their initial retreat; they were insecure. In reaction to that embarrassment, they went overboard. It was called a “true massacre” and a “one-sided pitch battle”. 

Some of the commentators discussed China A versus China B; a rural and developing China and a booming, thriving China. This theme was the main topic in Shirk’s book, so I have been fully aware of the fragility that China faces. The tank man is an iconic image of this incident and its an image that has been removed by the government since 1989. This is representative of how the government is still trying to control information within its country. I really enjoyed this video as it gave me good insight into the Chinese history and their worldview.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They wanted to “shock, terrify, and awe”, well they accomplished that goal in me. As Kaiser Kuo suggests, you need to understand Chinese history in order to understand the Chinese people. Watching “Tank Man” gave me a little history lesson on one of the most influential and substantial events in Chinese history. It is not only significant to the Chinese people, but also the Chinese government. This event changed the relationship between China and its people forever. They each saw what the other side is capable of. </p>
<p>This video was very insightful into the true events that occurred during this incident. Popular thought is that the people that were protesting were only the students, but the truth is that everyone was protesting except for the top leaders. Students started the protests but soon everyone was involved. It was also shocking that most of the action actually happened outside the square, not inside.</p>
<p>During this event there was completely free reporting; it was referred to as the “virus of freedom”. Once people got a taste of it, they wanted more. This is why the government was so scared. The people got a taste of freedom and know they know what it feels like and what it can do. The government is very insecure, as Susan Shirk writes in her book “China, Fragile Superpower”, and so they took drastic measure to send their message across. Their message was that they are in charge and always will be. Watching this video and seeing how they used their forces against innocent people was absolutely shocking, and that is the feeling they were going for. The Chinese government wanted to “shock, terrify, and awe”. They did this by using weapons that were way beyond what they needed and shooting people in the back while they were running away. The government was embarrassed by their initial retreat; they were insecure. In reaction to that embarrassment, they went overboard. It was called a “true massacre” and a “one-sided pitch battle”. </p>
<p>Some of the commentators discussed China A versus China B; a rural and developing China and a booming, thriving China. This theme was the main topic in Shirk’s book, so I have been fully aware of the fragility that China faces. The tank man is an iconic image of this incident and its an image that has been removed by the government since 1989. This is representative of how the government is still trying to control information within its country. I really enjoyed this video as it gave me good insight into the Chinese history and their worldview.</p>
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		<title>By: J Vail</title>
		<link>http://calpolymbatrip.com/2006/china/the-tank-man/#comment-21404</link>
		<dc:creator>J Vail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the things I have learned through watching so many documentaries is that each historical event has a variety of different microcosms. I had learned about T Square previously in school, but it was only a couple pages in any textbook I read. Even though there was the ‘tank man’ picture in the books, and I could recognize that it was from T Square, I never would have thought prior to this video that there was any intrigue around this person. Furthermore, the actions by the government including the final statements at the end are almost hard to believe. I had originally thought that a protestor being ‘erased’ post-WWII was a concept reserved for science fiction.

	Even harder to believe is that there is still no resolution over who this person was, and that there has been so much effort put forth in trying to figure it out. At the time of the massacre it seemed more relevant to conceal the identity of this man, but I believe that the Chinese government does know who this man is and what happened to him definitively, and in transitioning into the future they should be more open and honest. At the very least, more Chinese natives should know about the events and the tank man; it was shocking when the young man looked at the ‘tank man’ photo and asked if it was a type of performance art.

	I am on the fence about whether the T Square incident was a catalyst or impediment to the economic boom that followed – I feel like other conditions had more of an effect on the economy than this massacre. If anything, I think it showed a low point that the Chinese as a people could only rise above afterwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things I have learned through watching so many documentaries is that each historical event has a variety of different microcosms. I had learned about T Square previously in school, but it was only a couple pages in any textbook I read. Even though there was the ‘tank man’ picture in the books, and I could recognize that it was from T Square, I never would have thought prior to this video that there was any intrigue around this person. Furthermore, the actions by the government including the final statements at the end are almost hard to believe. I had originally thought that a protestor being ‘erased’ post-WWII was a concept reserved for science fiction.</p>
<p>	Even harder to believe is that there is still no resolution over who this person was, and that there has been so much effort put forth in trying to figure it out. At the time of the massacre it seemed more relevant to conceal the identity of this man, but I believe that the Chinese government does know who this man is and what happened to him definitively, and in transitioning into the future they should be more open and honest. At the very least, more Chinese natives should know about the events and the tank man; it was shocking when the young man looked at the ‘tank man’ photo and asked if it was a type of performance art.</p>
<p>	I am on the fence about whether the T Square incident was a catalyst or impediment to the economic boom that followed – I feel like other conditions had more of an effect on the economy than this massacre. If anything, I think it showed a low point that the Chinese as a people could only rise above afterwards.</p>
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		<title>By: JP Salazar</title>
		<link>http://calpolymbatrip.com/2006/china/the-tank-man/#comment-21336</link>
		<dc:creator>JP Salazar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2011 00:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an amazing and moving piece. The first thing that struck me from this video was the level of commitment that the students and people of Beijing showed in the face of extreme opposition. It takes a certain something to be able to lay your life down for a cause. Bravery doesn’t even begin to describe it. The ability of one man to stand alone in front of a column of tanks in a situation where he most likely would be killed is an amazing feat. These people felt so strongly about being heard and fostering change that they were willing to die for it. 
I have been born into a time, place, and situation where I have do not feel that deep a level of commitment to anything, really. Some would see this as a blessing. It is usually extreme oppression that drives people so passionately to a cause, and I have luckily not had to experience this. I do know, though, that people like me are seen as soft. We have never really had to fight for anything; to care for anything. Every generation before my own had some great moment of change that defined them. WWI, the Great Depression, WWII, Vietnam, the Cold War. There had always been an issue that united people and drove them to action. But where is our great change, our call to action? Either there are no issues that contentious to drive people to feel that deeply, or simply a majority of people  in America don’t care anymore.
While I recognized the image of tank man from some history class I had taken in high school, I had never seen any video footage from the incident. While watching the video, I couldn’t believe some of the stark images I saw. The level of brutality and terror exhibited by the PLA on its own citizens was atrocious. It is no wonder that the government decided to bring in people from all across China to quash the demonstrators. There is no way soldiers from that area would have shot into their own friends and families. I found it very interesting how the demonstration grew from just a single protest to a mass movement of wanting to be heard. I never knew there was more than one group protesting that night in Beijing. 
But seeing how this demonstration progressed sheds light on how China deals with domestic unrest. Chinese leaders know from their recent past that small protests can quickly escalate to large scale movements if they are not handled quickly. In fact, both of the recent ruling parties in China were a result of protestors overthrowing the government. It is a unified voice that Chinese leaders really fear. With that in mind, and without condoning it, I can see how the leadership would be quick to use force to stomp out any opposition or resistance within the country, no matter how peaceful the demonstrations may be.  
Because of the demonstrations, and the iconic gesture of tank man, an uneasy balance was struck between China’s leaders and its people. This “deal with the devil” and the unprecedented economic growth that followed would not have been possible without the terrible tragedy of the T. Square demonstrations. This event showed both sides just how high the risks were if they went down the road of no reconciliation. The leaders were nothing without the support of the people, but the leaders were not going to give up their power without a fight. In the end, the government has traded economic freedom and growth to the people for their support and government stability. 
The thing I found disturbing about this video is the effectiveness of the Chinese propaganda machine. While I still do not know all that there is to know about the T. Square incident, it is not part of my national history. I find it very off putting that a group of Chinese college students could not identify such an iconic and important part of their national history (recent at that). The T. Square incident is an integral part of what makes China the country it is today, and it is being hidden from the people whom it most affects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an amazing and moving piece. The first thing that struck me from this video was the level of commitment that the students and people of Beijing showed in the face of extreme opposition. It takes a certain something to be able to lay your life down for a cause. Bravery doesn’t even begin to describe it. The ability of one man to stand alone in front of a column of tanks in a situation where he most likely would be killed is an amazing feat. These people felt so strongly about being heard and fostering change that they were willing to die for it.<br />
I have been born into a time, place, and situation where I have do not feel that deep a level of commitment to anything, really. Some would see this as a blessing. It is usually extreme oppression that drives people so passionately to a cause, and I have luckily not had to experience this. I do know, though, that people like me are seen as soft. We have never really had to fight for anything; to care for anything. Every generation before my own had some great moment of change that defined them. WWI, the Great Depression, WWII, Vietnam, the Cold War. There had always been an issue that united people and drove them to action. But where is our great change, our call to action? Either there are no issues that contentious to drive people to feel that deeply, or simply a majority of people  in America don’t care anymore.<br />
While I recognized the image of tank man from some history class I had taken in high school, I had never seen any video footage from the incident. While watching the video, I couldn’t believe some of the stark images I saw. The level of brutality and terror exhibited by the PLA on its own citizens was atrocious. It is no wonder that the government decided to bring in people from all across China to quash the demonstrators. There is no way soldiers from that area would have shot into their own friends and families. I found it very interesting how the demonstration grew from just a single protest to a mass movement of wanting to be heard. I never knew there was more than one group protesting that night in Beijing.<br />
But seeing how this demonstration progressed sheds light on how China deals with domestic unrest. Chinese leaders know from their recent past that small protests can quickly escalate to large scale movements if they are not handled quickly. In fact, both of the recent ruling parties in China were a result of protestors overthrowing the government. It is a unified voice that Chinese leaders really fear. With that in mind, and without condoning it, I can see how the leadership would be quick to use force to stomp out any opposition or resistance within the country, no matter how peaceful the demonstrations may be.<br />
Because of the demonstrations, and the iconic gesture of tank man, an uneasy balance was struck between China’s leaders and its people. This “deal with the devil” and the unprecedented economic growth that followed would not have been possible without the terrible tragedy of the T. Square demonstrations. This event showed both sides just how high the risks were if they went down the road of no reconciliation. The leaders were nothing without the support of the people, but the leaders were not going to give up their power without a fight. In the end, the government has traded economic freedom and growth to the people for their support and government stability.<br />
The thing I found disturbing about this video is the effectiveness of the Chinese propaganda machine. While I still do not know all that there is to know about the T. Square incident, it is not part of my national history. I find it very off putting that a group of Chinese college students could not identify such an iconic and important part of their national history (recent at that). The T. Square incident is an integral part of what makes China the country it is today, and it is being hidden from the people whom it most affects.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Raymond</title>
		<link>http://calpolymbatrip.com/2006/china/the-tank-man/#comment-21322</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2011 04:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great documentary! I love PBS and thought The Tank Man was very well done. Perhaps the most shocking part to me was when they showed the picture of the Tank Man to the Chinese college students and they had no idea what it was. I can't imagine living in a country that is able to erase such tragic historical events that take place on their own soil  just 20 years after they occur. For that to happen you obviously need a large cooperation from the people. I guess that is part of their "deal with the devil". Regarding the deal, its tough to say whether the pros have outweighed the cons for China as a whole.  I'd say they definitely have for the government. The economy is booming and the communist party is still in power. We'll see if the economic freedom they have granted will lead to any sort of political revolution. For the people, I know that the urban dwellers have greatly benefited economically, but much of the rural population is still in poverty. And there are still many freedoms that are kept from Chinese citizens.The economic reform has been great for China but I think it will be a few more years until we truly find out if the pros of the 89 incident outweigh the cons.   

If I were to guess I would say that the People's army was crushing the students political protest. The party would be more concerned with political reform than economic reform. They can still benefit from economic reform but political reform would mean their end. 

I think it is pretty clear that Tienanmen Square changed China forever. The economic reform has transformed the country. It may have occurred eventually but T Square definitely sped up the process. While I think that the economic reform has been great for the country, I believe that this taste of freedom will lead to a greater desire for widespread freedoms and China will continue to evolve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great documentary! I love PBS and thought The Tank Man was very well done. Perhaps the most shocking part to me was when they showed the picture of the Tank Man to the Chinese college students and they had no idea what it was. I can&#8217;t imagine living in a country that is able to erase such tragic historical events that take place on their own soil  just 20 years after they occur. For that to happen you obviously need a large cooperation from the people. I guess that is part of their &#8220;deal with the devil&#8221;. Regarding the deal, its tough to say whether the pros have outweighed the cons for China as a whole.  I&#8217;d say they definitely have for the government. The economy is booming and the communist party is still in power. We&#8217;ll see if the economic freedom they have granted will lead to any sort of political revolution. For the people, I know that the urban dwellers have greatly benefited economically, but much of the rural population is still in poverty. And there are still many freedoms that are kept from Chinese citizens.The economic reform has been great for China but I think it will be a few more years until we truly find out if the pros of the 89 incident outweigh the cons.   </p>
<p>If I were to guess I would say that the People&#8217;s army was crushing the students political protest. The party would be more concerned with political reform than economic reform. They can still benefit from economic reform but political reform would mean their end. </p>
<p>I think it is pretty clear that Tienanmen Square changed China forever. The economic reform has transformed the country. It may have occurred eventually but T Square definitely sped up the process. While I think that the economic reform has been great for the country, I believe that this taste of freedom will lead to a greater desire for widespread freedoms and China will continue to evolve.</p>
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